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Marshall I don't think you understand the democratic base biden has to deal with. Alot of the neoliberals are very blood thirsty (chris coons in senate nd etc) and want history to remember democrats were tough when it came to national security. You don't understand the crazy amount of coalitions bidens dealing with. He talks about genocide and war criminal only to please that base. In reality biden is devastated from Beaus death and would never send us troops to Ukraine.

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It seemed like the core of the disagreement between Marshall and Saagar involved several questions that could fuel future shows:

1. What are the United States' core interests in Europe?

2. How are they presently defined by government policy and how should they be defined?

3. To what extent, and for how long, did the United States prevent war in Europe through its security guarantees and how likely are those factors to prevent war in the future?

4. Do we overestimate or underestimate our importance in keeping peace in Europe?

5. What external circumstances or decisions make prevention of war in Europe by the United States more or less likely?

It seems like historians and strategists would be able to weigh in on this and provide different perspectives to help illuminate the underlying disagreement.

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