pps ... i am arguing that non-elite white men benefit more in Status & Power from identifying as & voting Republican than they do as Democrats ...
... i guess, thus, i am arguing that the migration of non-elite white men, increasingly, is more explained by Endogenous [Psychological] than Exogenous [e.g., Anti-African-American] factors ... maybe the previous statement applies, as well, to Hispanic, Black, & Asian men, also ...
... i think it remains to be determined quantitatively the extent to which White Supremacy is a Main Effect and to what extent other factors [especially, Economics, Status, Power] explain the effects of WS ...
p.s. ... this morning i was thinking about frequent claims that the non-elite members of Trump's base are acting against their own interests-- particularly, their Economic interests... i was also thinking about the common assertions that members of T's non-elite base are "stupid" or duped... i thought about the distinction made in the Social Sciences between Status [how others perceive you] and Power [access to resources]-- T's non-elites, historically, have Status, ab initio (& formerly, de jure) because they are white and because of "heritage" factors [e.g., their sons are responsible for going to war and for winning them-- including, the Revolutionary War; they, historically, built America (MAGA)]; most members of T's non-elite & elite base are white, so it is in the interest of both groups to become allies-- to preserve their Status... the sons of the non-elite who have won our wars gain a lot of Status from Trump's elite supporters [but, probably, not from many minorities, especially, African-Americans]... thus, i would say that it is logical, rational, even, obvious for Trump's non-elite followers to align with him his elite followers, and, by extension, the Republican Party... Trump's elite followers, obviously, face the imminent loss of a [slow?] erosion of their Power... T elites & T non-elites are "natural" bedfellows...
... the same logic might apply to T's elite & non-elite minority followers [increasingly, Hispanics, African-American men, Asians] if their Status &/or Power is threatened [mostly, Status, i would guess-- maybe these groups have negligible Power?]...
... i would propose that the only Status AfAmericans have is via association with & support from Liberal Whites with whom they have had a co-dependent, paternalistic relationship with since Slavery... probably Bi-racial & light-skinned AfAmericans have enhanced Status-- at least in some spaces [see Stuart Hall UK on differential rules as a function of different social spaces]...
... the Status-Power analysis can, also, be applied to women whose Status, in great part, comes from their historically co-dependent, paternalistic, relationship to men... probably, on balance, women have little Power...
... pretty much all of these ideas can be estimated & modeled quantitatively to explore & forecast possible causes, correlates, functions, & outcomes... [in addition, note Exchange Theory, Optimality Theory, Game Theory, "arms race" literature in Ecology & Military Science]...
"i would propose that the only Status AfAmericans have is via association with & support from Liberal Whites with whom they have had a co-dependent, paternalistic relationship with since Slavery... probably Bi-racial & light-skinned AfAmericans have enhanced Status-- at least in some spaces [see Stuart Hall UK on differential rules as a function of different social spaces]..."
This is way off base. This is one of those comments that is a dead giveaway that the writer isn't writing from any kind of in depth personal experience with black people.
I am a 77 yo Woman of Color who is educated & who stands by what I've said... Indeed, though I do 🤔 think that the co-dependent, paternalistic relationship between white Liberals & African-Americans is more complex than my comment may suggest, I think 🤔 that at less than 13 percent of the US population, AfAs have few degrees of freedom as per Statistics, making them particularly dependent upon the sympathy & tolerance of Liberal Whites, borne out of Christian values, particularly, the value of Stewardship... It may seem that AfAs have power, but that is because White Liberals keep them on a long leash, & I suggest that it is to the advantage of WLs to keep it that way...
"To those of us not lying to ourselves we see the people Trump tapped into, the forgotten ones, with a lot of anger, never the vision to see the causes, but easily co-opted by anybody willing to speak to them. Prime recruits for a despot. Indeed this anger, again economic at the root, has been co-opted, by a GOP in the 2000s which sold them it was immigrants that took their way of life, or by the Tea Party in the early 2010s which sold them it was big-government that took their way of life. This anger is now largely independent of the economic conditions which fostered it initially, as few can remember the times before. Now it's chaotic, moving from topic to topic with daily Q posts." Brandon ... i follow Realignment & Rising and have learned a lot from doing so ... i am a retired, educated, WOC living in Silver Spring, MD ... to borrow from Paul Krugman, my politics are "extreme Center;" i hold some center-right positions, some center-left ... i consider Donald Trump to be a cruel, dangerous, & amoral person ... while i am certain that Brandon is a fine, probably, young, man [whose political preferences i cannot be certain of], i am SO annoyed to hear a tone that suggests to me a patronizing, paternalistic attitude ["to those of us not lying to ourselves" immediately places the people he stereotypes as subordinates & "Others"] toward the misguided individuals perpetrating the recent coup attempt ... as implied by Brandon, i believe that many among the mob are misfits, though, others may have been among the mentally ill or may have participated for perverse entertainment or some exploitative intent [e.g., subsequently selling a story or writing a novel or dissertation]; no doubt there are other reasons ... i consider the coup attempt to be a tragic and heartbreaking one in US History that has, probably, transformed our socio-politico-economic landscape and sense of security forever; though, i suspect that Thomas Jefferson & La Rochefoucauld would not be surprised ... i do not sympathize with the insurgents; however, i think Brandon is incorrect to sarcastically suggest that fear of the "Other" & of losing one's status in Society are figments fomented by messaging that is manipulative & exploitative ... these grievances are not imaginary; the US is, indeed, becoming a "minority-majority" country led by a coalition of minorities, Liberals, coastal Elites, & some Independents [i think the relative position of Progressives in the D Party is unclear-- though Ps seem to be convinced that they are on the cusp of real power] ... finally, Brandon's & Progressives' emphasis on Economics as the primary factor driving Trumpism seems to suggest that B & Ps are not listening to experts who have concluded Tism is, primarily, a Social & Cultural phenomenon [though, of course, these variables and Economic factors interact; statistically, the question is, though, what are the Main Effects?] ... i am reminded of the young, Progressive guest on Rising who lost his Congressional race in TX who said his constituents agreed with his platform but voted for Trump anyway ... if you read this, thanks... sincerely, clara b. jones
pps ... i am arguing that non-elite white men benefit more in Status & Power from identifying as & voting Republican than they do as Democrats ...
... i guess, thus, i am arguing that the migration of non-elite white men, increasingly, is more explained by Endogenous [Psychological] than Exogenous [e.g., Anti-African-American] factors ... maybe the previous statement applies, as well, to Hispanic, Black, & Asian men, also ...
... i think it remains to be determined quantitatively the extent to which White Supremacy is a Main Effect and to what extent other factors [especially, Economics, Status, Power] explain the effects of WS ...
p.s. ... this morning i was thinking about frequent claims that the non-elite members of Trump's base are acting against their own interests-- particularly, their Economic interests... i was also thinking about the common assertions that members of T's non-elite base are "stupid" or duped... i thought about the distinction made in the Social Sciences between Status [how others perceive you] and Power [access to resources]-- T's non-elites, historically, have Status, ab initio (& formerly, de jure) because they are white and because of "heritage" factors [e.g., their sons are responsible for going to war and for winning them-- including, the Revolutionary War; they, historically, built America (MAGA)]; most members of T's non-elite & elite base are white, so it is in the interest of both groups to become allies-- to preserve their Status... the sons of the non-elite who have won our wars gain a lot of Status from Trump's elite supporters [but, probably, not from many minorities, especially, African-Americans]... thus, i would say that it is logical, rational, even, obvious for Trump's non-elite followers to align with him his elite followers, and, by extension, the Republican Party... Trump's elite followers, obviously, face the imminent loss of a [slow?] erosion of their Power... T elites & T non-elites are "natural" bedfellows...
... the same logic might apply to T's elite & non-elite minority followers [increasingly, Hispanics, African-American men, Asians] if their Status &/or Power is threatened [mostly, Status, i would guess-- maybe these groups have negligible Power?]...
... i would propose that the only Status AfAmericans have is via association with & support from Liberal Whites with whom they have had a co-dependent, paternalistic relationship with since Slavery... probably Bi-racial & light-skinned AfAmericans have enhanced Status-- at least in some spaces [see Stuart Hall UK on differential rules as a function of different social spaces]...
... the Status-Power analysis can, also, be applied to women whose Status, in great part, comes from their historically co-dependent, paternalistic, relationship to men... probably, on balance, women have little Power...
... pretty much all of these ideas can be estimated & modeled quantitatively to explore & forecast possible causes, correlates, functions, & outcomes... [in addition, note Exchange Theory, Optimality Theory, Game Theory, "arms race" literature in Ecology & Military Science]...
"i would propose that the only Status AfAmericans have is via association with & support from Liberal Whites with whom they have had a co-dependent, paternalistic relationship with since Slavery... probably Bi-racial & light-skinned AfAmericans have enhanced Status-- at least in some spaces [see Stuart Hall UK on differential rules as a function of different social spaces]..."
This is way off base. This is one of those comments that is a dead giveaway that the writer isn't writing from any kind of in depth personal experience with black people.
I am a 77 yo Woman of Color who is educated & who stands by what I've said... Indeed, though I do 🤔 think that the co-dependent, paternalistic relationship between white Liberals & African-Americans is more complex than my comment may suggest, I think 🤔 that at less than 13 percent of the US population, AfAs have few degrees of freedom as per Statistics, making them particularly dependent upon the sympathy & tolerance of Liberal Whites, borne out of Christian values, particularly, the value of Stewardship... It may seem that AfAs have power, but that is because White Liberals keep them on a long leash, & I suggest that it is to the advantage of WLs to keep it that way...
"To those of us not lying to ourselves we see the people Trump tapped into, the forgotten ones, with a lot of anger, never the vision to see the causes, but easily co-opted by anybody willing to speak to them. Prime recruits for a despot. Indeed this anger, again economic at the root, has been co-opted, by a GOP in the 2000s which sold them it was immigrants that took their way of life, or by the Tea Party in the early 2010s which sold them it was big-government that took their way of life. This anger is now largely independent of the economic conditions which fostered it initially, as few can remember the times before. Now it's chaotic, moving from topic to topic with daily Q posts." Brandon ... i follow Realignment & Rising and have learned a lot from doing so ... i am a retired, educated, WOC living in Silver Spring, MD ... to borrow from Paul Krugman, my politics are "extreme Center;" i hold some center-right positions, some center-left ... i consider Donald Trump to be a cruel, dangerous, & amoral person ... while i am certain that Brandon is a fine, probably, young, man [whose political preferences i cannot be certain of], i am SO annoyed to hear a tone that suggests to me a patronizing, paternalistic attitude ["to those of us not lying to ourselves" immediately places the people he stereotypes as subordinates & "Others"] toward the misguided individuals perpetrating the recent coup attempt ... as implied by Brandon, i believe that many among the mob are misfits, though, others may have been among the mentally ill or may have participated for perverse entertainment or some exploitative intent [e.g., subsequently selling a story or writing a novel or dissertation]; no doubt there are other reasons ... i consider the coup attempt to be a tragic and heartbreaking one in US History that has, probably, transformed our socio-politico-economic landscape and sense of security forever; though, i suspect that Thomas Jefferson & La Rochefoucauld would not be surprised ... i do not sympathize with the insurgents; however, i think Brandon is incorrect to sarcastically suggest that fear of the "Other" & of losing one's status in Society are figments fomented by messaging that is manipulative & exploitative ... these grievances are not imaginary; the US is, indeed, becoming a "minority-majority" country led by a coalition of minorities, Liberals, coastal Elites, & some Independents [i think the relative position of Progressives in the D Party is unclear-- though Ps seem to be convinced that they are on the cusp of real power] ... finally, Brandon's & Progressives' emphasis on Economics as the primary factor driving Trumpism seems to suggest that B & Ps are not listening to experts who have concluded Tism is, primarily, a Social & Cultural phenomenon [though, of course, these variables and Economic factors interact; statistically, the question is, though, what are the Main Effects?] ... i am reminded of the young, Progressive guest on Rising who lost his Congressional race in TX who said his constituents agreed with his platform but voted for Trump anyway ... if you read this, thanks... sincerely, clara b. jones